Can Patreon fight fire with social media fire?

Hogging seats on a crowded train, not saying excuse me, watching videos on your phone with no headphones in. Sometimes it feels like we don't know how to act anymore. What we have been seeing, increasingly, is people breaking rules. Why should I play by the rules if nobody else is going to do that for me? This week on Explain It to Me, how to mind your manners.

New episodes Sundays wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Neil I Patel, editor in chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today I'm talking with Jack Conti, the CEO of Patreon. Jack last joined me on the show almost exactly five years ago in the summer of 2021, and it's safe to say that a lot has changed on the internet and in the creator landscape since then.

So I was very excited to talk to Jack again, especially since his ideas about what Patreon is and how it should work have changed dramatically as big social media platforms have gotten more closed off and more flooded by AI slot. In fact, you'll hear Jack say that he now thinks of Patreon as an index of small business media companies, a dramatic change in perspective that's led him to make Patreon a more direct competitor to social platforms like Instagram and TikTok. That's a huge change. In fact, the last time we talked

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