A Dollop Crossover | Ben Naddaff-Hafrey on Staten Island and the Revolutionary War

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A little while ago, as part of my Staten Island summer, I went on a history show called The Dollop. It's hosted by the comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds, who, it turns out, have both done sets on Staten Island that turned out poorly. This episode was a comeback special about an extremely niche topic. When I was reporting the Staten Island problem, I spent a day on the island with a Revolutionary War historian named Phil Pappas, learning about how Staten Islanders really did not want the American Revolution to happen. Sadly, that got cut from the show.

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