The Jordan Harbinger Show · 2026-08-11 · 108 min · 18,745 words

1367: Annie Jacobsen | The Genes and Germs of Biological Warfare

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Coming up next on the Jordan Harbinger Show. The revelation is the Soviet program was not dismantled when the wall went down, but rather absorbed. They signed the treaty they crossed their fingers, their hands behind their back and say, Oh yeah, we're definitely on board. No biological weapons. And what do they do? They begin a colossal illegal. Biological weapons program involving genetic modifications. And among the weapons was the super plague weapon that was designed to kill Tens of millions or hundreds of millions of their enemies in the West.

Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. On the Jordan Harbinger Show, we decode the stories, secrets, and skills of the world's most fascinating people and turn their wisdom into practical advice that you can use to impact your own life and those around you. Our mission is to help you become a better informed, more critical thinker through long form conversations with a variety of amazing folks. From spies to CEOs, athletes to authors, thinkers, and performers, even the occasional neuroscientist, war correspondent, former jihadi or hostage negotiator. If you're new to the show or you want to tell your friends about the show, I suggest our episode Starter Packs. These are collections of some of our favorite episodes on topics like persuasion and negotiation. Psychology and Geopolitics, Disinformation, China, North Korea, Crime and Cults, and more. That'll help new listeners get a taste of everything we do here on the show. Just visit JordanHarbinger.com slash start or search for us in your Spotify app to get started. Today's guest asks us to imagine an American walking into a packed Frankfurt nightclub with a hundred and two degree fever. He should feel like death. Instead, he feels euphoric, because the plague multiplying in his lungs has been genetically engineered to make him want to socialize. He dances until dawn, then he boards a flight to Dallas with four hundred plus other people.

Andy Jacobson's new book is not about a bomb that explodes once. It's about a living weapon that copies itself, travels through our airports, exploits our compassion, and attacks not only our bodies, but our trust in medicine, the government, and in one another. How much of this nightmare is documented, how much of it is plausible extrapolation, And what can be done before the clock runs out. Here we go with Annie Jacobson. This book is actually quite scary. Nuclear war was scary'cause everybody dies, but this is scarier because everybody dies, but also way more gruesomely and it takes longer. You know, nuclear war is in that book I take the readers from nuclear launch to nuclear winter. In seventy two minutes.

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