#464 — The Politics of Pragmatism and the Future of California
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I am here with Matt Mahan. Matt, thanks for joining me. Thanks for having me, Sam. So you are the current mayor of San Jose and uh running for governor of California as a Democrat. And you're you are uh much celebrated uh in privately.
I w it should uh happen much more publicly, and I'm hoping to put my shoulder to the wheel on that front. for being someone who's just pragmatic and not crazy in the Democratic Party and that is that has been all too rare in recent years. So, um, welcome to the podcast. Great to have you. Thank you.
I'm looking forward to our conversation. So, um, well let's just uh talk about the beginning here. How did you get into politics and and how did you, um decide to be mayor of San Jose? You know, I think it really goes back to being a kid.
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