The Rich Roll Podcast · 2026-01-29 · 118 min · 16,438 words

Bruce Wagner Writes Transgressive Novels About Tragedy & Transcendence

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As a writer, I attack and destroy um bullshit. Bruce Wagner has had a prolific and eccentric career. Wagner just takes you straight to the contradiction. Apocalyptic yet ultimately spiritual view of humanity as seen through the lens of Hollywood. You are a fascinating character to me.

I want to enter the Wagner extended universe here. I never wrote for a reader. ever. I explore every forbidden place in myself. And there's only one thing I'm really worried about from the moment I put my head on the pillow and it's book sales.

What are my books sales? Bruce, I'm delighted to have you here today. Uh as I mentioned to you a moment ago, I just I want to enter the Wagner extended universe here and just kind of marinate in your ethos and sensibility. I mean, you're somebody who has written many books, some 15 now, 15 novels, something like that, and effectively used Hollywood, as you have mentioned, as this laboratory for need and vanity, as your, as your sort of palette, as this mirror for human behavior.

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