The Joe Rogan Intervention
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Malcolm Gladwell here, my new book, The American Way of Killing, investigates America's gun violence crisis. Why is the richest country in the world plagued by such lethal violence? Through a series of stories, interviews, and archival tape, I confront one of today's most urgent moral dilemmas and examine why the US has never quite understood its own problem and why you can't fix what you refuse to see clearly. Get the American way of killing at pushkin.fm slash audiobooks or at Audible, Spotify, or wherever audiobooks are sold. I was taking a road trip not long ago, listening to the Joe Rogan experience, as I like to do sometimes.
It was an old episode he'd done with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., before he became U.S. Secretary for Health and Human Services, the man responsible for running a massive medical science administration. By the way, I was once on Joe Rogan, it was a while back, and from my experience that day I came up with a theory, which is that all the good stuff happens in any Rogan interview as you approach hour three, when the guest has finally adapted to Rogan's particular seductive rhythms, and when all thoughts of the outside world have evaporated. If you listen to Rogan, in other words, you have to commit.
And so on that car ride I did. And at the one hour and fifty two minutes mark, right on schedule, came an exchange, which I found so fascinating, so peculiar, so downright weird, that I pulled my car over to the side of the road and said to myself, Oh man. RFK was talking about measles. And he essentially tells Rogan, the kids who die from measles don't die because of measles. They die because they're malnourished.
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