#441 — The Threat of Civil War

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So if you enjoy what we're doing here, please consider becoming one. I'm here with Stephen Marsh. Stephen, thanks for joining me. Pleasure. So I read your um your I think it's your latest book, The Next Civil War, Dispatches from the American Future, with great interest.

It came out in 2022, however, so I'll be interested to um see if your view has has darkened or or uh not in the in the meantime. But before we get into the book, what is your background as a journalist and writer? What kinds of issues have you focused on and how do you view that? Well, all of them.

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