#436 — A Crisis of Trust

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So if you enjoy what we're doing here, please consider becoming one. I am here with Michael Osterholm. Michael, thanks for joining me. Thank you for having me. So you have written a um an alarming book titled The Big One, How We Must Prepare for Future Deadly Pandemics.

Uh and you you co-wrote that with um Mark Olshaker. And um we're gonna get into that. I mean, obviously we're we you we're um I think as a presage to uh your book, I mean your actually book, your book accomplishes uh much of this as well. I think we should do a bit of a post mortem on the COVID pandemic and and what we've learned or failed to learn. from that experience.

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