Decoder with Nilay Patel · 2026-10-01 · 45 min · 7,713 words

How Utah locals fought Kevin O'Leary's AI data center

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We don't know how to act anymore. What we have been seeing increasingly is people breaking rules. Why should I play by the rules if nobody else is going to do that for me? This week on Explain It To Me, how to mind your manners. New episodes, Sundays, wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Neil Ipitel, editor in chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today I'm talking with Josh Treza, a longtime features writer here at The Verge, about Kevin O'Leary's plans to build a massive data center in Utah. The idea was to build the largest data center in the world. a 40,000 acre AI campus with more than 9 gigawatts of power, more than double the average power usage of the entire state of Utah. The project is technically called Stratos. but it's more prominently known as Wonder Valley, a reference to O'Leary's nickname on Shark Tank.

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