Phil Stutz & Elise Loehnen Share Tools For Inner Well-being, How To Embrace Pain, Uncertainty & Constant Work As Divine Invitations, & Why Everything You’re Avoiding Will Transform Your Life

Every human being has a enemy inside themselves. Everyone. Everybody has some set of assumptions about the character and the shape of the universe. What's out there is chaos, as far as we think, because we don't know what it is. If you want to have faith, you just have to take it.

For whatever bizarre evolutionary reason, The human animal just doesn't seem to be a huge fan of uncertainty. So much of our thinking is all oriented around denying it to perpetuate this illusion of security. But uncertainty is reality, or as psychiatrist Phil Stutz puts it, one of the three unavoidable truths of life. You might remember Phil from the fantastic Netflix documentary Stutz.

or from his appearance on this very show about a year ago. Well today Phil returns, this time accompanied by Elise Lonin, his co-author in the new book True and False Magic, a podcast host and celebrated writer in her own right whose insights have helped countless people navigate life's challenging terrain. We're all stuck in our own dioramas and the Natural History Museum and the things that don't fit into our worldview or out of sight, but they're still present. Whatever projection, whatever image you have is wrong.

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