We All Need To Make Money and Interact With Capitalism. Is There a Non-Icky Way To Do It? | David Gelles

This is the 10% Happier Podcast. I'm Dan Harris. Hello everybody, how are we doing? Today we are going back to a subject that I find inexhaustibly interesting and urgent and a little confusing.

Can you get paid and do good? Put another way, how do you make money without being knocked off the Buddhist path? Can Buddhism and capitalism coexist? My guest is an old Dharma buddy of mine, David Gellis. David is a reporter for the New York Times where he's covered business

and climate for many years. He's also written a bunch of books, including one called Mindful Work, which is about how companies are increasingly incorporating meditation into the workplace. His most recent book is called Dirtbag Billionaire, how Yvonne Schinard built Patagonia, made a fortune, and gave it all away. In this conversation, we talk about how David met Yvonne Schinnard, who's the founder of the brand Patagonia. what a dirtbag is, the innovative ways in which Chanard ran his company, including taking care of his employees well, offering robust maternity benefits, staying environmentally conscious, and then in the end, as you'll hear, giving away the business.

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