The Ezra Klein Show · 2026-10-07 · 71 min · 12,561 words

‘This Is Nuts.’ An OpenAI Insider Explains Why He Quit.

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Last week. News broke that David Robinson, who had been leading safety transparency efforts at OpenAI. I quit the company. Because he believes it is not safe.

Robinson is an interesting figure. He didn't come out of the Silicon Valley Bay Area hot house. He's more of a recognizable Washington DC figure. He's a road scholar. He formed a civil rights nonprofit. He got a law degree at Yale Law. He worked in policy. He advised the Biden White House. He was interested.

In the intersection of technology And Justice. But when he joined OpenAI, he kind of thought this whole set of worries about safety risk and extinction, it was all kind of nuts. Three years later he's not so sure. What he is sure about.

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