The Ezra Klein Show · 2025-12-19 · 70 min · 12,860 words

The Opinions: Bernie Sanders and Ruben Gallego

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My opinion colleague David Leonhardt has been doing these great interviews with Democratic politicians to ask, what is America's next story? And today I want to share two conversations of a series that focus on the question of how Democrats can win back the working class, a question we've talked about a lot on this show. These are two very different views. The first is with Senator Bernie Sanders, and the second with Senator Ruben Gallego. And

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