Everything you’ve ever wanted to know about SAFe and the product owner role | Melissa Perri (author, founder of Product Institute)

There's this whole concept of safe, basically scaled agile, right? So scaled agile framework came out of the desire to figure out how do we scale Scrum and different processes. I Do not recommend using Safe. Every single person I have talked to who likes Safe, found success with Safe, they ended up ripping it up and making it into something else. You've been up close and personal with a lot of companies working with product owners, scaled agile, and all these things. This product owner role did not emerge from product management as we know it today. It was a way. To help the developers prioritize what to work on, I ended up going to a ton of agile conferences and speaking about product management. And I started to learn that there was this product owner role in Scrum. It feels like it's growing, like more and more companies are adopting this as the way to work. A lot of large companies turn to Scrum or to the frameworks, and it's because they traditionally didn't grow up building software. When you look at agile methodologies, what we're really saying there is we wanna be able to move quickly and deliver great value to customers. If you embrace those principles, you're gonna do well.

Today, my guest is Melissa Perry. Melissa is a legend in the product management community. She's the author of the foundational book, Escaping the Build Trap. And her most recent book, Product Operations. She's also the CEO and founder of the Product Institute. which trains product managers at all levels. She's trained PMs at almost every Fortune 500 company at this point. And in our conversation, we dive deep into a topic that I don't spend a lot of time on on this podcast.

Product owners, Scrum, Scaled Agile. And building product at very large Non tech companies. Melissa shares the history behind these ways of working, what she's seen work and not work when companies roll out these frameworks. And most importantly, what you can do as a leader at one of these companies and as a product owner working in one of these companies to level up your organization and yourself.

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