Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber

Really quick before we start the show, I want to remind you about an upcoming live recording of the podcast. It's happening in Denver on November 13th at the Paramount Theater. I'll be interviewing Kurt Richardson. He's the creator of the Otterbox phone case. And if you haven't been to one of our live shows before, they are super fun. They're a chance to see me and to meet other builders and fans of the show. It's all brought to you by American Express and we'd love to see you there. So to get tickets. Go to nprpresents dot org And I hope to see you in Denver.

Had a dream. I was at some party. And Ted Coppel was there?

How long are you gonna stay at this job? Do you want to start something on your own? And I remember telling him, like, no, Dad, I'm pretty happy. He's like, are you really? So then I woke up.

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