1223: William H. Macy | What Shameless Taught Him About Being Shameless

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You know him from Fargo, Boogie Knights, Shameless, and now Soul on Fire, where he plays famed Cardinals announcer Jack Buck, who befriends a young burn victim in one of those rare but true stories that'll make you cry then feel strangely good about it. We explore why the best actors don't give a damn, what desperation does for great art, and how Macy somehow only learned how to act after 30 years in the business. It's a wide-ranging conversation about acting, Hollywood, the business of creativity. It's soulful, it's sharp, and he's of course surprisingly funny and charming as always. My producer Gabriel Mizrahi and I tag teamed this one live in St.

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