#412 — Better Things & Better People

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Thanks for having me, Sam. Uh yeah, it's nice to finally connect with you. I've been seeing your stuff for a while and um just read your book, your newest book, which is Moral Ambition, which is uh a little bit of a departure in tone, but you have you you've also written Utopia for Realists and Humankind. This is much more of a call to action, and I want to talk about the call.

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