20Product: How to Design and Build Products in a World of Agents | Why AI Will Kill Many SaaS Products | What Products Will Thrive and Die in a World of 100M Developers with Matt Biilmann, Co-Founder and CEO @ Netlify

I I think we'll see the next hundred million software developers emerge around tools that are identified. but I still think it will be a profession to use those tools to do stuff to build stuff for other people. If I look at Google's products, like I now have all these Genesis buttons all over and I never use them. They just haven't managed to productise it in a way that feels super compelling. This is twenty product with me, Harry Stabbings. Now today we focus on a core new focus for product teams. How to craft an amazing Agent experience. Now we've had an amazing developer experience for years, but as we move into a world of AI, crafting a beautiful and seamless agent experience will be the difference between winners and losers. Joining me for this discussion is Matt Billman, co-founder and CEO at Netlify, where under his leadership, Netlify has become one of the

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