OpenAI Codex lead on the new shape of product work | Andrew Ambrosino

Ninety percent of people uh opening eye use codex. Not ninety percent of engineers, that's ninety percent of the entire company. Yeah, this tweet the other day where you said that you intend to make codecs the best. desktop app that has ever existed. Yeah. The quality bar for Codex had to be so high. That there was never like a hesitation that you have opening this app to do the next thing. That this was your natural choice. Just like people have kind of come to open a browser time, right? That's true, I know. There's numbers constantly coming out about the records you guys are setting for usage. I don't know. Like we'll see. A lot of people seem to like the app. Why do you think AI And the top frontier models are just not good at design. I think design's a little bit harder to grade because the human aspect of taste is like part of the feedback mechanism you need. That is still feeling a little bit out of reach with the current technology. What does the shape of product team look like now versus a couple of years ago? Everybody open AI is very autentic. has great ideas and so everybody's building everything. And it's not that people are doing fundamentally different roles or focusing on different things, it's that it's backwards. The implementation is actually not the expensive part anymore. It's

Dare I say taste. Do you feel like there's this collapse coming where everyone's everything and that's just the future, or do you think we're gonna s continue to be mostly divided up. There are some things that I'm afraid of. I've heard a lot of companies be like, We're getting rid of the product roll. And everybody's just gonna be a builder. And then what happens is Today my guest is Andrew Ambercino, product and engineering lead for the Codecs app at OpenAI. Codex is quickly becoming people's go to app. For building products.

And also For nonproduct work. like organizing files in your computer, drafting documents, doing data analysis, reading your emails, and a lot more. If you stick around for the end of this episode. We actually have a little clip from after we stopped recording, where the producer in the room started talking about how he uses codex in his editing work.

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