The New Yorker Radio Hour · 2026-02-06 · 51 min · 10,536 words

Ben Shapiro Is Waging Battle Inside the MAGA Movement

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This is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker. Welcome to the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. At the end of December, Turning Point USA, one of the most important conservative organizations in the country, held its annual conference, America Fest. The speakers included mainstays of conservative media like

Tucker Carlson, Riley Gaines, Megan Kelly, and Jesse Waters. Kicking things off was Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro, founder of the Daily Wire and host of one of the most popular podcasts around. Shapiro began by celebrating Charlie Kirk, Turning Point's co-founder, who had been murdered just a few months earlier. I really believe that the best way to judge a goodness of a man is to see the goodness of his wife and his children, and on that measure, Charlie was unsurpassed.

Erica and her children are in all of our hearts. But Shapiro's real subject that day was the dangers facing the conservative movement. Instead of focusing on opponents on the left or the few remaining never Trumpers, he looked inward. Shapiro warned of people he called charlatans and griffins. He called out Tucker Carlson by name for friendly interviews with the accused sex trafficker Andrew Tate and with anti-Semites like Daryl Cooper and Nick Fuentes.

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