Kinko’s: Paul Orfalea

Hey, before we start the show, I want to share something I heard recently from actress Audra McDonald. It's about fear. Audra is one of the greatest living stage actors. She's won six Tony Awards. Six. And she told me that Every new role she takes still scares her. And she explained why that fear is essential to her work. To hear my conversation with Audra, listen to my other podcast, The Great Creators. Just search for the Great Creators with Guy Raz, wherever you listen to podcasts, or go to thegreatcreators.com. And now

On to today's show. I'll tell you something that bothers me. is when a business person says, I love my business. That's absolute bullshit. You love your family. You can enjoy your business, but once that becomes a love affair, you lose your objectivity. I never loved my business. I could enjoy it.

But man, your business is an instrument to make you happy. And you own it, it doesn't own you. Welcome to How I Built This, a show about innovators, entrepreneurs, idealists, and the stories behind the movements. They built. Guy Roz, and on the show today, how Paul Orphala rented a Xerox machine for eleven hundred bucks a month.

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