Trump vs. the U.S. Economy

I'm John Caramonica, a critic at The New York Times. And I'm Joe Cascarelli, a culture reporter at The Times. Together we host Popcast, a weekly pop culture chat show where we speak to the biggest musicians, actors, internet celebrities, and more. We've had Bad Bunny, Olivia Rodrigo, and Anne Hathaway. We've also hosted live performances with Andre 3000 and Erica Badu.

Plus we end every conversation with a snack. Catch new episodes of Popcast every week on YouTube and anywhere you get your podcasts. It has been some months since Liberation Day, and we've seen tariffs come on and off, we've seen them go up and down, we've seen all kinds of other economic policies applied and pushed. And the kind of amazing thing about where the American economy is right now. Is it it's shaky, but pretty stable?

The place where we're seeing some stress is in the job market. You've seen the jobs numbers revise downward for recent months. So is that the beginning of all this really putting pressure on the American economy? Or is the underlying resilience and power going to push it through? Then there is this other thing happening.

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