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How To Finally Stop Procrastinating: Oliver Burkeman

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Are you doing a few things every day that your ancestors would have done? What two hundred fifty thousand years ago. Oliver Berkman. He's a journalist, a writer. I'm one of the greatest thinkers I've had the pleasure of sitting with here on this podcast. People talk all the time about the importance of learning to say no, right? There's a subtext there. They think what that means is if you just learn to say no to all the stuff you don't want to do, you can spend your time doing the stuff you do want to do. You have to say no to things that you do want to do. We are wired for racing through things. All of us who are sort of moving at this speed need to experiment a little bit with like what it feels like to just slow down to the speed that things take. Any action that actually brings things into the world involves a confrontation with your limitations. Getting through that discomfort to what lies on the other side is so empowering.

Without further ado, I'm Steven Bartlett, and this is the Dive of CEO. I hope nobody's listening. But if you are then please keep this to yourself. Journalist. Um

I was quite surprised to read some of the articles you'd written and that the subject matter wasn't necessarily like always about the news or what's going on, or it wasn't gossipy. It was quite I don't know, existential and deep and about regret and life and happiness and these kinds of things. Why did the desire to talk about and to write and research those topics come from a new? That's a good question. I mean, I think early, early when I was a journalist, I was doing whatever I needed to do and a lot of that was kind of news.

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