Decoder with Nilay Patel · 2025-08-07 · 57 min · 11,102 words

GitHub's CEO says AI coding is ‘here to stay’

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Welcome to Decoder. This is Alex Heath, your Thursday episode guest host and deputy editor at The Verge. It's AI Coding Week here at Decoder. You just heard my friend Casey Newton's interview with the CEO behind Cursor, Michael Cyrell, and now I've got a conversation with GitHub CEO Thomas Dunka. In many ways, GitHub co-pilot set off the current AI coding boom we're all living in.

But since Thomas was on the show a year ago, The rise of vibe coding has shifted the buzz to newer platforms like Cursor and Windsurf. As you'll hear in our conversation, Thomas is thinking a lot about the competition and GitHub's role in the future of software development. It's a good time to be having this conversation. Thomas has a bird's eye view of where the industry is headed.

I wanted to know how he thinks the role of a software engineer will keep changing with AI, and when I'll feel comfortable vibe coding myself. This is Decoder after all, so I couldn't have him on the show without asking what life is like these days running GitHub as its own company within Microsoft. Okay, GitHub CEO Thomas Dumka, here we go. Thomas, thanks so much for being on the show. I have a lot to catch up on.

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