#429 — The New World Order

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Well, so you've just written a uh cover article in the Atlantic, currently titled online at least. I haven't seen the physical magazine, but the title online is the most nihilistic conflict on earth. This was recounting your two trips to Sudan, which has been plunged into yet another civil war. And I I want to use it as you do in the article, I want to use your um experience of Sudan as a lens through which to look at the consequences of of American retreat from the world. And this just this kind of general unraveling of of the system of of international law and international aid, which has really uh underpinned the what we have come to call the liberal world order for more or less as long as we've been alive, a little bit longer.

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