Infinite Loops · 2026-07-02 · 71 min · 13,445 words

David Gelles - The Stories that Shape Business (Ep. 321)

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wake up and there's an email in my inbox from Federal inmate number one two three four five six, Bernard El Madoff. And thus began months of Correspondence with him. Where I sort of had to win his trust, went down to North Carolina and spent these couple hours with him, just started telling us his story. And after

An hour or white wake, he's spinning us. We had to snap out of it. And then we had this remarkable conversation. Oh, here we go.

Welcome to this week's episode of Infinite Loops. I am Jimmy Sony, I'm the editor in chief of Infinite Books, and I am filling in for Jim O'Shaughnessy. This week's guest is the New York Times climate reporter David Gellis. He's the author of multiple books, including most recently. Dirtbag billionaire. Please enjoy this conversation with David Gellis. I am here with one of my favorite people, David Gellis. I thank you for coming on Infinite Loops.

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