What happens after coding is solved? | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams)

Anthropic engineers on average ship eight times as much code per quarter as they did compared to 2025. Coding is no longer the bottleneck. It's lift at the ceiling of what anyone is able to do. Everything is now possible, in theory. Now it's about how ambitious can you be. It's always something we ask ourselves, what's better than me doing it? The people that seem to be doing best are taking The most initiative, getting the most practice, have the most agency. We say with high agency is also high accountability. So it's all about making sure folks have the freedom to cook. But then it's also like okay, what's the accountability for it? What's the hypothesis of what you're trying to solve? I'm curious what is lost in this new world of software engineering. Lodging on the Clock Coutine recently we started a pairwise programming lunch. Something you think about is this gap forming between people that are leaning into AI, killing it, and then people that are not super frustrated, fighting, resisting. In terms of frustration, I think sometimes I also see a little bit of fear. For anything that there is a fear, my advice is lean in and as What can I do about it? What is within my control? Today my guest is Fiona Fong.

Fiona leads the teams behind Claude Code and co work at Anthropic. She oversees both Boris Churney. And Cat Woo. Both of whom who have been on the podcast and whose episodes are in the top ten most listened to episodes of all time. Before Anthropic at Microsoft, Fiona ran the teams that built TypeScript and Visual Studio. After that, she went to Facebook, where she started the Facebook marketplace team, which she took from idea to launch.

Today, Facebook Marketplace generates over 100 billion dollars in GMV every year. Also, while at Meta, she oversaw work on Meta's first smart glasses product. And then she helped build Orion, their first AR glasses product. Then she went to Instagram, where she led infrastructure, growth, integrity, and safety teams. While at Instagram and at Meta, she oversaw an org of over 500 people. Fiona has been an engineer for over 25 years and as a longtime engineering leader, especially now at Anthropic.

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