Decoder with Nilay Patel · 2025-07-28 · 52 min · 8,713 words

Can we ever trust an AI lawyer?

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Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm John Fort, CNBC journalist, co-host of Closing Bell Overtime, and creator of the Fort Knock streaming series on LinkedIn. This is the last episode I'll be guest hosting for Nei while he's out on parental leave. We have an exciting crew who will take over for me after that, so stay tuned. Today I'm talking with Richard Robinson, who's the co-founder and CEO of Robin AI.

Richard has a fascinating resume. He was a corporate lawyer for high-profile firms in London before founding Robin in 2019 to bring artificial intelligence tools to the legal profession using a mix of human lawyers and automated software expertise. That means Robin predates the big generative AI boom that kicked. off when ChatGPT launched in 2022. As you'll hear Richard say, the tools his company was building early on were based on fairly traditional AI technology, what we would have just called machine learning a few years ago.

But as more powerful models and the chatbot explosion have transformed industries of all types, Robin AI is expanding its ambitions. It's moving beyond just using AI to parse legal contracts into what Richard is envisioning as an entire AI-powered legal services business. AI can be unreliable, though, and when you're working in law, unreliable just really doesn't cut it. It's impossible to keep count of how many headlines we've already seen about lawyers using Chat GPT when they shouldn't, citing non-existent cases and law in their filings.

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