How I Built Resilience: Live with Simon Sinek

Hey everyone, so as some of you know, we've started this new series of video conversations where each week I talk with founders and entrepreneurs about how they're building resilience into their businesses right now. And in case you miss these conversations, when they happen, we are posting an excerpt right here every Thursday in your podcast feed. So today I'm bringing you my conversation with Simon Sinek. Simon is the author of Start With Why and The Infinite Game, and he writes about leading with purpose and cultivating smart and sane business practices, skills that have become especially critical at this very moment. Here you go, here's the conversation I had with Simon just a few days ago. First, can you just kinda outline what

Yeah. Absolutely. Um, a philosopher by the name of James Cars articulated these two types of games in the mid nineteen eighties, finite games and infinite games. A finite game is defined as known players. Fixed rules and an agreed upon objective. There's always a beginning, middle, and end. And if there's a winner, there has to be a loser. Then you have infinite games. Infinite games are defined as known and unknown players, which means any player can join at any time.

The rules are changeable, which means you can play however you want, and the objective is to perpetuate the game, to stay in the game as long as possible. When I learned this idea, I saw it as profound because we are players in infinite games every day of our lives. There's no such thing as being number one in your marriage, for example. You can't win in your marriage. The goal is to make it last as long as possible. That's the goal. There's no such thing as winning global politics, there's no such thing as winning education, there's no such thing as winning healthcare, there's no such thing as winning your career, and there's definitely no such thing as winning business. But if we listen to the language of so many of our leaders, they talk about being number one. Right.

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