Decoder with Nilay Patel · 2026-01-26 · 67 min · 12,779 words

Experian's tech chief defends credit scores: 'We're not Palantir'

Listen to the original audio · Transcribed with NVIDIA Parakeet · Timestamps stay in sync with the live audio

Hogging seats on a crowded train, not saying excuse me, watching videos on your phone with no headphones in. Sometimes it feels like we don't know how to act anymore. What we have been seeing, increasingly, is people breaking rules. Why should I play by the rules if nobody else is going to do that for me? This week on Explain It to Me, how to mind your manners.

New episodes Sundays wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Neilai Patel, editor-in-chief of the Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today I'm talking with Alex Lintner, who is the CEO of technology and software solutions at Xperian, the credit reporting company. Xperian is one of those multinationals that's so big and complicated that it has multiple CEOs all over the world.

So Alex and I spent quite a lot of time at the beginning simply talking through the decoder questions. so I could understand how Experian is structured, how it works, and how the kinds of decisions that Alex makes actually work in practice. There's a lot there, especially since Alex is in charge of the company's entire tech arm. That means he oversees big operations like security and privacy, and now, of course, AI. All of which is always important, but even more critical when you factor in what kinds of information Xperion collects and stores about, well, literally everyone.

That is the first couple of minutes. The rest is $1.

We already have this episode, so unlocking it is cheap and permanent: the full transcript (67 minutes, 12,779 words), segment and word-level timestamps, and .txt, .srt, .vtt and word-level JSON downloads, as many times as you like, forever.

No account needed, we create one from your checkout email. With credits it is 1 credit; packs start at 10 episodes for $5, and monthly plans are cheaper still.

get it now

Ready in about two minutes.

Pay once, no subscription. Credits never expire.

Transcribing every week? Monthly plans start at $9, about 23 cents an episode.

Secure checkout by Stripe. No account needed: we create one from your email. By paying you agree to the terms.