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The Jordan Harbinger Show · 2026-10-15 · 107 min · 22,306 words

1397: Kyle Vowinkel | How an FBI Negotiator Keeps Cool Under Fire

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Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. On the Jordan Harbinger show, we decode the stories, secrets, and skills of the world's most fascinating people. Our mission is to help you become a better informed, more critical thinker through long form conversations with a variety of amazing folks. From spies to CEOs, athletes, authors, thinkers, and performers, even the occasional neuroscientist, Russian chess grandmaster, real life pirate. Or special operator. And if you're new to the show or you're looking for a way to tell your friends about it, I suggest our episode starter packs. These are collections of some of our favorite episodes on topics like persuasion and negotiation, psychology and geopolitics, disinformation, China, North Korea, crime and cults, and more.

That'll help new listeners get a taste of everything we do here on the show. Just visit Jordan Harbinger.com slash start Or search for us in your Spotify app to get started. Today, former FBI hostage negotiator Kyle Volwinkle takes us ten yards from the boat where the surviving Boston marathon bomber was hiding and explains how he got a response after gunfire and twelve flashbangs hadn't worked. We'll explore how to keep your brain working under extreme pressure, why the ego that makes you feel like the toughest guy in the room can actually make you the last guy anyone wants on their team. Apparently being heavily armed doesn't automatically make you a good listener. Who knew? Here we go with Kyle Vullwinkle.

So this book starts off with a bang, really. Your negotiation with the surviving Boston marathon bomber was like Ninety minutes about the length of a good podcast. So Put me ten yards from that bullet riddled boat in Watertown and my knowledge of this comes from your book and then the movie, which I Can't remember what the movie was called, but I guess that was accurate. He was just hiding in some guy's boat. Yes, Patriots say

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