282. Partition: The Birth of The Kashmir Conflict (Part 5)

Hello and welcome to Empire with me, Anita Arnand. And me, William DeRumpel. And we are joined again by Sam DeRumpel, the author of the rather marvellous new book, Five Partitions, It's Brilliant, and it talks about areas of the partition that most of us talk about. between India and Pakistan, but also other areas which, you know what, they are really important and they remain important and they are in the news even today. So I don't know how many times I've been asked what are the roots of the problems that almost led these two countries to a direct war.

Only one month ago, yeah. Just over a month ago, exactly right. And there are two sort of princely states which will figure in this, which are really important, which were central to all of that on the brink of situation that we found ourselves in. Kashmir, of course, being one, which is where the violence started and precipitated a a much bigger conflict between these two countries where everybody was on the edge of their seats to see what would happen and how long it would go on for.

But also Balochistan, which is a place in Pakistan which you may be less familiar with. Anyway, Sam, thank you very much for for being with us again. So look, we we mentioned and we touched upon this idea of you know, there there wasn't just the one Cyril Ratcliffe line that was a partition line in India after independence, because there were also the partitions of princely states as well. And you touched upon what princely states were, they were supposedly notionally independent of the Raj.

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