Empire: World History · 2025-07-09 · 48 min · 8,624 words

271. Canada’s Dark Secret: Stolen Children, Unmarked Graves, & Survival Stories (Ep 5)

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Hello and welcome to Empire with me, Anita Arnand. And me, William Durumple. Now, in our previous episode with the wonderful Maya Jasinov, we were discussing how the American Revolution birthed Canada. But today, in the final episode of our Canadian mini-series, we're going to jump forward 10 years to discuss, I have to say, a very controversial, very sensitive topic in Canadian history, that of the Indian Residential School.

And we're going to look at the history through one particular school, Kamloops Indian Residential School. And I'm delighted that we are joined by Celia Haig Brown, co-author of, well, this wonderful book, Resistance and Renewal, Surviving the Indian Residential School. And you've just told me, look, there's an even better updated version. Celia, tell us about the brand new spanking one that I haven't got yet that I'm going to get straight away. What is what is the book we should all be reaching for now?

So the you could reach for either one, but really the one that you've just shown me, resistance and renewal, is embedded in this new version called Chakelmuchil, Kamloops Indian Residential School, Resistance and a Reckoning. So, I mean, that sort of gives you a sense of the kind of energy and motivation in in writing this book. We sort of said, you know, this is a sensitive topic to discuss. And I should tell you, Celia, that we have a a Discord community here at Empire where people discuss things amongst themselves. And there is a a huge amount of sensitivity and also disagreement about whether, you know, first of all, from from the point of were these schools

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