Making Sense with Sam Harris · 2025-12-04 · 20 min · 3,780 words

#447 — The Unraveling of American Power

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So if you enjoy what we're doing here, please consider becoming one. I'm here with Peter Zion. Peter, thanks for joining me again. Hey, it's great to be back. Well, so first you've been on the podcast several times and most people will have uh uh heard about you, seen you somewhere, if not here, uh

Remind people briefly uh what you do, what's your day job when you're not doing podcasts like this. Uh my job is to take demography and geopolitics and use it to paint a picture of the future and then show how it matters to the people who happen to be in front of me. So most of my clients are in the world of finance or manufacturing or agriculture, some sort of economic association or business. And I helped them navigate the crazy that is to come. Speaking of um predicting the future and uh I actually on points that uh matter at least to me and a few of us, uh last time you were on the podcast, you told me that there was no way that Trump was going to win the 2024 election.

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