The Ezra Klein Show · 2026-07-31 · 59 min · 10,983 words

How Trump Has Changed, With Maggie Haberman

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Maggie Haberman is a White House correspond at the New York Times, a Pulitzer Prize winner, and the co-author, alongside Jonathan Swan, A regime change. I would say the single best book. on the first fourteen months of Donald Trump's second term.

She joins me now. Mikey Haberman, welcome back to the show. Ezra, thank you for having me. So I wanna Talk about the experience I had reading the book. Which is

Remembering how much energy and ferocity. There was in the first six to eight months. Mm. And then

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