Inside the big business of the creator economy, with Ali Berman and Raina Penchansky

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Try for free today at ocom slash vox. That's O D Ocom slash box. Hello and welcome to Dakota. I'm Ny Patel, editor in chief of The Verge, and Dicoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. We've had another special episode of Dakota recorded at the Can Lion Advertising Festival in the south of France. I'm talking with Ali Behrmann and Raymond Penchansky, who run the creators division at United Talent Agency. UTA is an enormous agency. Half the people you've ever heard speak or perform or show up anywhere have UTA agents representing them. For full disclosure, that includes me. UTA handled the sale of the forthcoming decoder book, which means I paid them money.

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