Grindr: Joel Simkhai

Hey, before we start the show, a question for you. Do you ever get nervous when performing or speaking in front of an audience? Because I definitely do, and I have to stand in front of a lot of big audiences. Well, I recently interviewed Ellie Golding about being shy on stage. And even though she's a music superstar who's performed at Coachella and a royal wedding, She told that She finds ways to break through the anxiety and be present in the moment. You can hear my conversation with Ellie Golding on my other podcast. It's called The Great Creators. Just search for The Great Creators with Guy Raz wherever you listen to podcasts, or go to thegreatcreators.com. And now

On to today's show. I remember people always telling me, you know, hey Joel, uh nobody pays for apps. Apps are all free. Yeah and no one's gonna ever pay for an app. And I said I'm actually not an app. I'm a

Essentially a dating business, and people have been paying for dating for centuries. You're a matchmaker. I'm I'm a matchmaker. And so I expect people will be willing to pay for it'cause we're providing a lot of value. Unfortunately I was right.

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