244. The Troubles: IRA Secrets Exposed (Ep 4)

And welcome to Empire with me, Anita Arnan. And me, William DRimple. It's just been such a a rip roaring ride with Patrick Raddenke, the author of Say Nothing. We've praised it to high heaven. I'll do it again. I think it's a masterful Telling of the troubles. One of the great non fiction books of our time. Yes, a Truman Capote of our time, I think you said last time, and I think that's probably true. Patrick, thank you very much for being with us. We're gonna pick up the baton from the last episode, which we ended on Father Alec Reed, who was administering Last Rights and trying to deliver C PR to one of the off duty soldiers who's dying in this funeral scene. And the carnage just sort of it seems as if it's reached the absolute nadir of horror with, you know, pictures of him with blood across his mouth. But it does kickstart a start of a peace process which will last for ten years and take ten years to germinate. The seeds were planted at the last episode. We should say we're going to talk a lot more about Jerry Adams, Jean McConville.

and the two price sisters in this episode. We should start by saying that, you know, Jerry Adams denies still ever being part of the IRA. Has that been tricky for you to navigate? But he hasn't sued you, has he? I mean we're just get that very clear. Everything that you've written, he hasn't taken you to court for any of it, has he? I mean, in some ways, actually, this question is a kind of a useful way back into what we were talking about because Jerry Adams was in the IRA. I mean, I document this in in my book. There are many people who are in the IRA with him who have said as much But he also was really instrumental in helping

Lead this political process that ends up giving rise to the peace process, and so It's in right around the period where we left off, really, in in the nineteen eighties. When Jerry Adams starts denying that he had ever been in the IRA, he says not not only am I not in the IRA. I was never in the IRS. I'm a political leader. I've been a political activist, a republican activist. Now

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