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The Michael Shermer Show · 2026-03-17 · 69 min · 13,903 words

The Biggest Blind Spot of the Climate Movement: Nuclear Energy

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So walk us through your transition from tree hugger, environmentalist to where you are now. How did that whatever you want to call that detransition or reconversion or whatever experience? Nuclear was a thing that kind of pulled me out because I had heard so many lies. Almost everything that I had heard about nuclear technology was false. Almost every single thing about waste.

about pollution, about the industry, workers, like every single thing. And that was it. Penny drop. I thought, if they're lying to me about this, what else are they lying about? It sounds absurd, but I mean Thomas Malthus was saying this way back when, wasn't he?

And he was literally writing kind of academic papers that people took very seriously saying, we need disease to wipe people out. it will be a good thing if that happens. We will not be able to sit to save people, there will be famine. And this is actually where the roots of environmentalism come from, which is why there's that kind of misanthropic thread through traditional movement. You grow up with this idea that the good people are the environmental activists.

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