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Intelligence Squared · 2026-11-10 · 43 min · 7,666 words

China and Africa: The Hidden History of a Global Power Shift, with Paul Kenyon

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China's relationship with Africa is often presented as a recent contest for minerals and influence. But the relationship actually rests on centuries of history, with alliances first forged in the struggle against Western colonialism. Hi there, I'm Margarita Valpato and thanks for joining me. Welcome to Intelligence Squared. The podcast about ideas that matter.

In each episode we speak to some of the world's most interesting thinkers. Not simply about what they've written or created, but about the ideas that drive their work and why they matter now. Today I'm speaking to Paul Kenyon. Paul is a FAFTA award winning journalist who has worked for almost 20 years across BBC News and current affairs. He is the author of numerous books, including Dictator Land and China's African Empire, the country that captured a continent.

Paul? Welcome to Intelligence Squared. Hi, good to see you. So your book opens with a Ming Dynasty treasure fleet. Coming back from an expedition from East Africa, With a giraffe of all things. Oh. It's a unicorn. It's a unicorn.

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