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The Gray Area with Sean Illing · 2026-06-19 · 39 min · 6,093 words

Canceling Plato

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Hogging seats on a crowded train, not saying excuse me, watching videos on your phone with no headphones in. Sometimes it feels like we don't know how to act anymore. What we have been seeing, increasingly, is people breaking rules. Why should I play by the rules if nobody else is going to do that for me? This week on Explain It to Me, how to mind your manners.

New episodes Sundays wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the gray area. I'm Vox supervising producer Avishai Artsi, filling in for Sean Illing. My guest today is Martin Peterson. Martin is a philosophy professor at Texas A<unk>M University.

Earlier this year, the university asked him to stop teaching work by Plato because it violated a recently adopted policy limiting discussion of race and gender in the classroom. In April, he resigned from his tenure. position. I asked Martin to come on the show to talk about what happened, who should decide what's taught in a university classroom, and why he thinks we should all be reading Plato. Martin Peterson, welcome to the show.

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