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The Gray Area with Sean Illing · 2026-06-12 · 48 min · 7,779 words

The people who want AI to replace us

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Hogging seats on a crowded train, not saying excuse me, watching videos on your phone with no headphones in. Sometimes it feels like we don't know how to act anymore. What we have been seeing, increasingly, is people breaking rules. Why should I play by the rules if nobody else is going to do that for me? This week on Explain It to Me, how to mind your manners.

New episodes Sundays wherever you get your podcasts. This is the Gray Area. I am Sean Illing. My guest today is Segal Samuel. She's a writer here at Vox who covers AI ethics.

I invited Segal on the show because she wrote an interesting and frankly kind of disturbing piece about AI successionism, which is the idea that AI shouldn't just serve humanity. It should well succeed us. And this is not some fringe internet fantasy. A lot of people in positions of power and influence actually believe it.

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