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The Jordan Harbinger Show · 2026-11-01 · 83 min · 17,773 words

1407: Paging Hezbollah | Out of the Loop

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Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. On the Jordan Harbinger Show, we decode the stories, secrets, and skills of the world's most fascinating people. Our mission is to help you become a better informed, more critical thinker through long form conversations with a variety of amazing folks, from spies to CEOs, athletes, authors, thinkers, and performers. Even the occasional former jihadi, arms dealer, neuroscientist, or journalist turn poker champion. If you're new to the show or you want to tell your friends about the show, and I always appreciate it when you do that, I suggest our episode starter packs. These are collections of some of our favorite episodes on topics like persuasion and negotiation. Psychology and geopolitics, disinformation, China, North Korea, crime and cults, and more, that'll help new listeners get a taste of everything we do here on the show. Just visit JordanHarbinger dot com slash start or search for us in your Spotify app to get started. Today, how do you get your enemy to buy the weapon you'll use against them and thank you for the customer service? Today, filmmaker Justin Foke, whose documentary Paging Hezbollah reconstructs Israel's exploding pager operation, he joins us to unpack the sales pitch, the behavioral engineering, and the last minute scare that nearly unraveled the whole thing.

This one is controversial, so if you're gonna be upset about this, please just skip to another one and save us both the hassle. Here we go with Justin Folk. Man, I gotta say I love the film. I wasn't expecting some like rinky dink production. But often documentaries, I mean they're not usually shot super well. Often you can't get the interviews that you want. And then it's like here's the head of the Mossad.

Here's footage from the actual attack and the body cams and then here's propaganda footage and then here's the footage of this funeral from Lebanon and it's like oh you guys Must have done some serious digging. To get all this stuff. Like real digging. Yeah, our team really uh I think we're fortunate in a lot of ways. We reached out and we were able to kind of get uh the inside access to the story. I have a great production team.

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