Matthew McConaughey on avoiding cynicism and finding gratitude

I had this three and a half hour monologue with Carl Sagan. And when he was done and talking about where we are in the universe, where the Earth is, where our galaxy is, where this universe, we're in there's multiple universes in a black hole in the middle, and basically it's expanding just as a balloon does as the universe expands. And our galaxy is right here at the top left corner of the number five on a clock. And right he got to the end and I was overwhelmed in myself. I was like, therefore God exists.

And before I could say it, he goes, and therefore God doesn't exist. And I went, woohoo! Wow. He and I laughed our ass off. It was beautiful.

Hey everyone, it's Adam Grant. Welcome back to Rethinking, my podcast with Ted on the science of what makes us tick. I'm an organizational psychologist. and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking. You probably know Matthew McConaughey from one of his many acting roles.

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