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Jocko Podcast · 2026-02-18 · 109 min · 20,835 words

528: Real Rank and Real Authority is Earned.

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This is Jocko podcast number 528 with Echo Charles and me, Jonko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. So there are problems in leadership, as we know, and believe it or not, the problems repeat themselves over and over again because human beings, as different as we are, we are the same. We all have the egos, the emotions, the idiosyncrasies, the agendas, the self-interest.

It's all there. It's kind of like a snowflake. You you can definitely identify a snowflake when you see one, right? Yeah. But

Every snowflake is different. It's a very similar thing. All snowflakes will melt when it gets warm out, right? There's a whole bunch of commonalities. Well, it's the same thing with human beings.

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