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ReThinking · 2025-10-14 · 38 min · 6,406 words

What being a lawyer taught John Grisham about writing novels

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Hi, I'm Debbie Melman and I host a podcast called Design Matters from the TED Audio Collective. Every episode I have conversations with designers, writers, artists, and other luminaries of contemporary thought. People like Roman Mars, I Wei Wei, Ethan Hawke, and Ashley Ford. We not only talk about their crafts, but how they design the arc of their lives, what they've learned, what obstacles they've overcome, and how they've done it and how they see the world.

Join us for an inquiry into the broader world of creative culture. Find and follow Design Matters with Debbie Millman wherever you're listening to this. I have to tell you, I've been reading you since the early 90s, and I think you're more different than I expected than anyone I've ever met. What is that good or bad? Well, I don't know.

It depends what you make of how you're different. I had pictured you as really cerebral and serious, and I was completely unprepared for how hilarious you are. When I was a Young lawyer, I realized quickly that in some very tense situations, people really want to laugh. And I do it in my books and I always get in trouble.

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