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Intelligence Squared · 2026-09-13 · 31 min · 5,577 words

Luke Harding and Alastair Campbell: Trump, Putin and the New Age of Conquest (Part One)

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Welcome to Intelligence Squared where great minds meet. I'm senior producer Mia Sorenti. Are we witnessing the return of a world in which power matters more than rules? Today's episode is part one of our recent live event with Guardian foreign correspondent Luke Harding and former Downing Street Director of Communications Alistair Campbell. Harding and Campbell joined us to discuss Trump, Putin and the return of great power politics.

Drawing on Harding's new book, Betrayal, they examine how Russia's war in Ukraine, Donald Trump's foreign policy and growing tensions between major powers are placing the post-war international order under strain. Together they ask whether an era built around the rule of law is giving way to one increasingly shaped by military power, coercion, and national self-interest. content warning before we get started. This episode contains some explicit language. Now let's join Luke Harding and Alistair Campbell live at King's Place in London.

Right, here we go. I'm Alistair Campbell. This is Luke Harding. In case you didn't know, Luke is a war correspondent. How do I know that?

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