#382 Who Is Michael Ovitz?: The Rise and Fall (and Rise) of the Most Powerful Man in Hollywood

I've done a few of these I had dinner with episodes, Michael Ovitz being the latest one. And I did one with John Mackie, who's the founder of Whole Foods a couple months ago. And John Mackie told me one of the craziest things that anyone has ever said about the podcast. By that time I had spoken to him. He'd already listened to over a hundred episodes of Founders, and he said that if Founders podcasts existed

When he was a young man. Whole Foods would still be an independent company that since the podcast and all of History Space Entrepreneurs are constantly emphasizing the importance of controlling expenses. He would have put more of a priority on it. Especially during boom times, during good times.

'Cause it's very natural for a company. And really for human nature. To just not watch your cost as closely. Because everything's going so well. And that is something that history's greatest founders all warn against and fast

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