Katie Herzog on Drinking Your Way Sober

This would s surprise nobody to know, but it is very possible to be an alcoholic and have a career and have a family and it is detrimental for sure. I think especially if you start drinking young, you can kind of get emotionally and mentally stuck in your, you know, developmentally in your twenties or teens even. Um, that's So that definitely happens, but people manage. People manage to to live these sort of bifurcated lives where you're you're hung over at work but you're still doing your job and then you get off work and you and you drink.

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk. One of the deadliest diseases and addictions in the United States and in most parts of the world It's not heroin and it's not the opioid crisis, it is alcohol. And I always assumed that people who face a problem with alcohol need to quit immediately, need to go to alcoholics anonymous and basically not have another glass of alcohol for the rest of their lives. That is what the culture broadly suggests.

Well, my guest today was an alcoholic for much of her life, recognized during COVID that she had a serious problem with alcohol abuse, and followed a very different method for how to quit, one that is assisted by medication and at least initially allowed her to keep having some amount of alcohol until her brain was retrained to no longer gain or seek pleasure from it. That guest will be known to many of you. Her name is Katie Herzog. Katie was a longtime writer for The Stranger, the alternative weekly in Seattle, and she has with Jessie Single the Blocked and Reported podcast that is very popular.

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