Jonny Steinberg on South African Crime and Punishment, the Mandelas' Marriage, and the Post-Apartheid Era

Conversations with Tyler is produced by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University, bridging the gap between academic ideas and real-world problems. Learn more at Mercatus.org. For a full transcript of every conversation, enhanced with helpful links, visit conversationswithtyler.com. Hello everyone and welcome back to Conversations with Tyler. Today I'm very excited to be talking with Johnny Steinberg.

He has written what I think is one of the very best books of the last ten years. It's called Winnie and Nelson, Portrait of a Marriage. He is, in my view, one of the most underrated, in North America at least, writers and thinkers. I like all of his books, A Thin Blue and the Number, or two others I would recommend. He

originally was born in Johannesburg, South Africa. He has taught there. He was a professor at Oxford University. He now is teaching part-time at Yale. Johnny, welcome.

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